Tuesday, August 9, 2011

ውዳሴ ማርያም - - - Read PDF

ልመናስ ከዚህ በኋላ ስንኳን በእርሷ በሌሎችም የለባቸውም። በቀደመ ልመናዋ የምታሥምር ስለሆነ እንዲህ አለ እንጂ። {የሰኞ ውዳሴ ምርያም ትርጉም፣ ሰዓሊ ለነ ቅድስት የሚለውን ሲተረጉም}
ውዳሴ ማርያም የተባለው መጽሐፍ የቅዱስ ኤፍሬም ሶርያዊ ድርሰት ነው። በዚህ ድርሰት ውስጥ ምስጢረ ሥላሴን፣ምሥጢረ ሥጋዌን በጠቅላላው ነገረ መለኮትን ልንማርበት እንችላለን። ድርሰቱ ድንግል ማርያም ከጌታ የተሰጣትን ክብር በማድነቅ ጠለቅ ያለ ሥነ መለኮታዊ ምስጢር ያስተምራል። ውዳሴ ማርያም ከሚለው ስያሜ ይልቅ ነገረ መለኮት የሚል ስያሜ ቢሰጠው ለያዘው ሐሳብ በጣም ቅርብ ይሆናል። ቅዱስ ኤፍሬም ይህን ድርሰት ሲደርስ በራሱ ነገረ መለኮትን መተርጎሙ ስለሆነ የቅዱስ ኤፍሬም ሥነ መለኮት ትርጉም ሊባልም ይችላል።
የኛ አባቶች ይህን የቅዱስ ኤፍሬም ድርሰት ወደ ግእዝ ሲተረጉሙ እርሱ ያላለውን በማለት የራሳቸውን ጨምረውበት ተርጉመውታል። ይህን አባባል የውዳሴ ማርያምን አንድምታ የተረጎሙ ሰዎችም ያምኑበታል። ለምሳሌ «ሰዓሊ ለነ ቅድስት» የሚለው ቃል በግብጽ ኦርቶዶክስ ውዳሴ ማርያም ላይ የማይገኝ መሆኑ፣ ድርሰቱ ንጽሕናው በኢትዮጵያ ተርጓሚዎች እንዳልተጠበቀ የሚያስረዳ ነው። ባለ አንድምታዎቹ ይህን ሁኔታ ሲገልጡ እንዲህ ይላሉ «ሰዓሊ ለነ ቅድስትን ማን ተናግሮታል ቢሉ ቅዱስ ኤፍሬም ተናግሮታል። ይህማ እንዳይሆን በግብጻውያን በመጽሐፋቸው በቃላቸውም አይገኝምሳ፣ ብሎ ቅዱስ ያሬድ ለዜማ መክፈያ ተናግሮታል። አንድም የኋላ ሊቃውንት ተናግረውታል» ይላል {ውዳሴ ዘሰኑይ ገጽ 13}። የመጀመሪያዎቹ ተርጓሚዎች ይጨምሩበት ወይም ተንኮለኞች ይቀላቅሉበት እንዳላታወቀ በዚህ በባለ አንድምታዎቹ አባባል እንገነዘባለን።
ድርሰቱ ከቋንቋ ወደ ቋንቋ ሲተረጎም የደረሰበት በደል አልበቃ ብሎት በኛ ባለአንድምታዎች ደግሞ የባሰ ችግር ተፈጥሮበታል። ደራሲው ሊል ያልፈለገውን ድርሰቱ እንዲል እየተገደደ ከፍትኛ ውጥረት እና መጨናነቅ ውስጥ እንዲገባ ተደርጓል።
ከነሐሴ አንድ ቀን ጀምሮ እስከ ነሐሴ አሥራ አራት ቀን ድረስ የየ እለቱ ወዳሴ ማርያም በየአድባራቱ ይተረጎማል፣ ተርጓሚ ቆሞ፣ አንባቢ ተቀምጦ፣ ጎበዝ ከሆነ በቃሉ ደካማ ከሆነ በመጽሐፍ እያየ ይተርጉማል። ይህ የውዳሴ ማርያም አንድምታ በመጽሐፍ ቤት የመጽሐፍ ተማሪዎች ከሐዲስ ኪዳን ጋር የሚማሩት ትምህርት ነው። ትርጓሜው በመጽሐፍ ተዘጋጅቶ መሠራጨት ከጀመረ ከሰባ ዓመት በላይ ሆኖታል። ይህን ካልን በኋላ የአንድምታውን ትርጉም ይዘት በጥቂቱ እንመርምረው።
ከመጽሐፉ ጀርባ  «ከቀድሞ አባቶች ጀምሮ ሲወርድ ሲዋረድ የመጣው ንባቡ እና ትርጓሜው የኢትዮጵያ ሊቃውንት እንደጻፉትና እንደተረጎሙት» ይላል። ትምሕርቱ ሲወርድ ሲዋረድ ከመጣ ዛሬም አንድምታን በሚቀበሉ ሰዎች ተቀባይነት ማግኘት እንዳለበት ለመጠቆም ነው ይህን ያነሳነው።
ኤፍሬም ድንግል ማርያምን እንዴት እንዳመሰገናት ሲገልጥ ደግሞ እንዲህ ይላል
«የነግህ ተግባሩን ፈጽሞ ከመካነ ግብሩ ተቀምጦ ሳለ እመቤታችን ትመጣለች፣ የብርሃን ምንጣፍ ይነጠፋል፣ የብርሃን ድባብ ይዘረጋል፣ ከዚያ ላይ ሆና ሰላም ለከ ኦ ፍቁርየ ኤፍሬም ትለዋለች እርሱም ታጥቆ እጅ ነሥቶ ይቆማል ወድሰኒ{አመስግነኝ} ትለዋለች፣ እፎ እክል ወድሶተኪ፣ ዘኢይክሉ ሰማያውያን ወምድራውያን ምድራውያን ጻድቃን ሰማያውያን መላእክት ማመስገን የማይቻላቸውን አንቺን ማመስገን እንዴት ይችለኛል? አላት በከመ አለበወከ መንፈስ ቅዱስ መንፈስ ቅዱስ እንደገለጠልህ ተናገር አለችው ባርክኒ{ባርኪኝ} ይላታል በረከተ ወልድየ ወአቡሁ ወመንፈስ ቅዱስ ይህድር በላእሌከ {የልጄ በረከትና የአባቱ የመንፈስ ቅዱስም በረከት ይደርብህ} ትለዋለች፣ በዚህ ጊዜ ምስጋናዋን ይጀምራል» ይተነትናል።
ሐሳቡ በእግዚአብሔር ቃል ሲመዘን በመጽሐፍ ቅዱስ የምናውቃትን የጌታችን እናት ድንግል ማርያምን አይገልጥም። እኛ ድንግል ማርያምን የምናውቃት በትሕትናዋ፣ በዝምታዋ፣ ነፍሴ ጌታን ታከብረዋለች እንዳለች የእግዚአብሔርን ክብር የምታስቀድም መሆኗን ነው ። በዙፋን ላይ ተቀምጣ «አመስግነኝ» አለች የሚለው አባባል ከእውነት የራቀ ነው። «የልጄና የአባቱ» የሚለው ቋንቋም የተርጓሚዎች ፈጠራ ነው፣ የትምህርተ መለኮትን ውበት ያደበዝዛል። የአብ የወልድ የመንፈስ ቅዱስ በረከት ይደርብህ ቢል በቀና ነበር።
የ ሰዓሊ ለነ ቅድስት ትርጉም።
«ሰዓሊ ለነ ቅድስት» የሚለው ቃል በቅዱስ ኤፍሬም ድርሰት አይገኝም። እሺ በኋላ የተነሱ ሊቃውንት ጨምረውታል እንበልና  {ባለአንድምታዎች፣እንዳሉት} ከጨመሩት በኋላም ሲተረጉሙ እንዲህ ብለዋል።
«ዓይኑ ዓ. ቢሆን አእምሮውን ለብዎውን ሳይብን። አልፋው አ. ቢሆን ለምኝልን ማለት ነው። ልመናስ ከዚህ በኋላ ስንኳን በእርሷ በሌሎችም ቅዱሳን የለባቸውም በቀደመ ልመናዋ የምታስምር ስለሆነ እንዲህ አለ እንጂ።» ይላል ገጽ 13
ከዚህ በኋላ ልመና የለባትም ማለት ምን ማለት ነው? ዛሬ አትለምንም ማለት ነው። ጻድቃን ቅዱሳን በምድር እያሉ ልምና ጸሎት ምልጃ እንደሚያደርጉ መጽሐፍ ቅዱስ ይናገራል። የምድር ዘመናቸውን ከፈጸሙ በኋላ ግን በሰማይ በእረፍት እንጂ እንደ ምድሩ ያለ የጸሎት ጊዜ እንዳላቸው መጽሐፍ ቅዱስ አይናገርም። ይህ የፈጠራ ታሪክ የሚተርኩ ባለአንድምታዎች እንኳ ያልካዱት እውነት ነው። «ልመናስ ስንኳን በርሷ በሌሎችም የለባቸውም» ሲሉ አረጋግጠዋል። በመጽሐፍ ትምህርት ቤት የተማርነው ይህንን ነው። ወጥታችሁ ለሕዝብ አትናገሩ ያለ ጊዜያችሁ ትሞታላችሁ ከሚለው ምክር ጋር አባቶች አስተምረውናል።
ታዲያ ድንግል ማርያም ዛሬ እንደማትለምን መጽሐፋቸው እየተናገረ፣ እነርሱም እየተረጎሙ እያነበቡ ለሕዝብ እያስተማሩ «እገሌ መናፍቅ ነው ማርያም አታማልድም ብሏል» ተብሎ ከቤተ ክርስቲያን የሚባረርበት ምክንያት ምንድር ነው? መባረር ካለበት መጽሐፉ ከዚያም ተርጓሚው ነበር። ነገር ግን ፍትሕ ከቤተ ክርስቲያን መሪዎች ስለጠፋ እውነቱን እያወቁ ሕዝብን በመፍራት ብቻ ወንድሞችን ያሳድዳሉ። እነርሱ እራሳቸው የማያምኑበትን የወንድም ማሳደጃ አደረጉት።
ድንግል ማርያም እና የእግዚአብሔር ቅዱሳን ሁሉ በምድር ላይ እያሉ በጸሎታቸው ኃይልን እንዳደረጉ፣ በምልጃቸው ሰውን ወደ ክርስቶስ እንዳመጡ፣ ከነርሱ በኋላ ለሚመጣው ትውልድም ማልደው እንዳለፉ፣ የታወቀና የታመነ ነው። ልመናቸው በሕይወት እያሉ ያልተፈጸመላቸው ቅዱሳን እነርሱ ካረፉ በኋላ እንኳ እግዚአብሔር አስቦ ይፈጽምላቸዋል። «በቀደመ ልመናዋ የምታስምር ስለሆነ» የሚለው አባባል በሕይወት እያሉ የለመኑትን ልመና ካረፉ በኋላ እንኳ እግዚአብሔር ሳይረሳ የሚፈጽመው መሆኑን ለማስረዳት ነው።
ይህ እውነት እና ማንም ሊቀበለው የሚገባ ቃል ነው። እሥራኤል እግዚአብሔርን ደጋግመው ሲበድሉት ስለአብርሃም ስለ ይስሐቅና ስለ ያዕቆብ ብሎ ቃል ኪዳኑን እንደፈጸመላቸው ተጽፏል። ዘዳ 4፥31
ይህ ማለት በሐዲስ ኪዳንም እግዚአብሔር በክርስቶስ ከገባው ውጭ ሌላ የገባው ኪዳን አለው ለማለት ፈልገን ሳይሆን ቅዱሳን «የለመኑት ልመና» ከጊዜ በኋላ እንደሚፈጽምላቸው እንደምናምን እና ይህንም ለማሳየት ስለምንፈልግ ነው። ድንግል ማርያምም ያለ ጸሎትና ያለ ምልጃ በምድር ላይ አልኖረችም። በምድር ላይ በኖረችበት ጊዜ ታማልድ፣ ትጸልይ፣ ትለምን ነበር። ያን ጸሎቷን እግዚአብሔር ሳይረሳ ሊፈጽምላት እንደሚችል እናምናለን። አባቶቻችን ያስተማሩን ይህን ነው። ዛሬ በሰማይ እንደምትለምን የሚናገር የመጽሐፍ ቅዱስ ቃል የለም። ውዳሴ ማርያም አንድምታ አዘጋጆች እንኳ «ልመናስ ስንኳን በእርሷ በሌሎችም የለባቸውም በቀደመ ልመናዋ የምታስምር ስለሆነ እንዲህ አለ እንጂ» በማለት ደምድመዋል። አንባቢዎች ሆይ ውዳሴ ማርያምን አንድምታውን በማንበብ ወይም ወደ ቤተ ክርስቲያን ሄዳችሁ ሲነበብ በመስማት ጥቆማችንን እንድታረጋግጡልን ስንል  በትሕትና እንማጸናለን፡፤
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እንግዲህ መናፍቁ ማን ነው? መናፍቅ ተብሎ አንድ ሰው ለመወገዝ የሚያበቃው ከመጽሐፍ ቅዱስ ትምህርት መውጣቱ ሲረጋገጥ ብቻ ነው። ለምሳሌ የሥላሴን አንድነትና ሦስትነት፣ የክርስቶስን ፍጹም ሰውነትና ፍጹም አምላክነት፣ ምሥጢረ ቁርባንን፣ ምሥጢረ ጥምቀትን፣ ምሥጢረ ትንሣኤ ሙታንን በተመለከተ ሕጸጽ ከተገኘበት በሊቃውንት ጉባኤ ቀርቦ ሊመረመር ይገባል። ስሕተት ከተገኘበት ሊማር ይገባል፣ አልማርም ካለ ሊመከር ይገባል፣ አልመከርም አልመለስም ካለ ተወግዞ ይለያል።
አሁን በማህብረ ቅዱሳን እና ሌሎች ወንድሞቻችን ሲከናወን የምናየው ግን የጉልበትና የሃይል ሥራ ነው። ወይም ፖለቲካ የሚመስል ፕሮፓጋንዳ ነው። መጻሕፍትን መሠረት ያደረገ ምርመራ ሳይደረግ ከመንደር ተነሥቶ መናፍቅ ማለት ውጥረቱን እና መለያየቱን ያብሰዋል እንጂ መፍትሔ አያመጣም። ማርያም ዛሬ ልመና የለባትም ያለው ውዳሴ ማርያም እንጂ ተሃድሶዎች አይደሉም። ይልቁንም ዛሬ ማርያም ትለምናለች የሚለው ከመጻሕፍት የወጣ የሥሕተት ትምህርት መሆኑ ሊታወቅ ይገባል፣ የሰው ስሜት ሃይማኖት ሊሆን አይችልም። እንግዲህ ስሜታችሁን ገደብ አበጁለትና የሊቃውንትን ትርጉም አዳምጡ። ባልተጻፈ እና የኦርቶዶክስ ትምህርት ባልሆነ የሕዝብ ስሜት ሰው አታሳዱ።
የውዳሴ ማርያም ዳሰሳችን ይቀጥላል
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  1. ይህች ጥሩ ውይይት ትፈጥራለች። ይህ እውነት እጅጉን ሊከብድ ይችላል። በዚህ ጽሑፍ የማትስማሙ ካላችሁ እባካችሁ ሀሳባችሁን ከመረጃ ጋር አቅርቡ። ጻድቃን ሰማዕታት ከሞቱ በሁዋላ ለኛ ይጸልያሉ የሚል የመጽሐፍ ቅዱስ ክፍል አለ? የእመቤታችን የጥንት ቃል ኪዳን እና ጸሎት አሁንም ይሰራል። ግሩም ነው።

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    1. አለ አንተ መናፍቅ ስለሆንክ ጫፍ ይዘህ ትሮጣለህ፡፡ ራዕየ ዮሐንስ 6 ላይ ስለሞቱ ሰዎች ነፍስ ጸሎት እናያለን፡፡ ይህን ምን ልትለው ነው ፡፡ ደግሞስ አማልዶ ምህረት ማሰጠት ነው ከባዱ ወይንስ የሞተ ቅዱስ አጥንት የሞተ የሞተ ሰው ማስነሳት ፡፡ መልስ የለህም እንግዲያው መጽሐፈ ነገስትን ስታነብ (ጥቅሱን አልነግርህም ምክንያቱም መናፍቅ ስለሆንክ) የሞተው የቅዱስ ኤልሳ አጽም የሞተ ስው አስነስቷል፡፡ ስለዚህ መልስህ ምንድነው፡፡ የሞተው አልአዛርና ያ ሃብታም በነፍስ እያሉ በሥጋ ሞተው ሳሉ ያ ኃጢያተኛ ላልሞቱ ዘመዶቹ በነፍስ ሆኖ አማልዷል ፡፡ ኃጥአን ካማለዱ ቅዱሳን እንዴት አያማዱም ትላለህ፡፡ በሥም የምትነግድ ማነፍቅ ገና የማኅበረ ቅዱሳን ነገር እንደ እግር እሳት ያነገበግብሃል ታብዳለህ ምን ታመጣለህ፡፡ እግዚአብሔር የመሰረተውን አንተ ምን ታደርገው ፡፡ እንግዲህ አብደህ በጸበል ስለማታምን አማኑኤል መጥቼ እጠይቅሀለሁ፡፡

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    2. Ante dedeb pente yemetsihafin qalin silematawq tisitaleh mechereshahim yezelialem firdnew

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    3. ወንድሜ ቡርቃ! ሠላም ለአንተ ይሁን! አንተ ካነሳኸው ሐሳብ በመነሳተ እስኪ እንመልከት። እንዲህ ብለህ ነበር:- "ስለዚህ መልስህ ምንድነው፡፡ የሞተው አልአዛርና ያ ሃብታም በነፍስ እያሉ በሥጋ ሞተው ሳሉ ያ ኃጢያተኛ ላልሞቱ ዘመዶቹ በነፍስ ሆኖ አማልዷል ፡፡ ኃጥአን ካማለዱ ቅዱሳን እንዴት አያማዱም ትላለህ፡፡"
      ኃጢአተኛው ለሞቱ ዘመዶቹ ሊያማልድ ቢሞክር ማንም በጭንቅ ያለ ሰው የሚያወራውን አያውቅምና የባጥና የቆጡን ቢቀባጥር አንተ ግን ይህን ማማለድ ትለዋለህ? ይገርማል! ይህ ማማለድ ሳይሆን የጭንቅ ጩኸት ነው። ነገር ግን ትክክለኛውን ምላሽ ማየት ከፈለግህ እዛው ይህን ያነበብክበት ክፍል ውስጥ የተሰጠውን የአብርሃምን ምላሽ አትመለከትም? እንዲህ ይላል:-

      "እርሱም እየጮኸ። አብርሃም አባት ሆይ፥ ማረኝ፥ በዚህ ነበልባል እሣቀያለሁና የጣቱን ጫፍ በውኃ ነክሮ መላሴን እንዲያበርድልኝ አልዓዛርን ስደድልኝ አለ።" ሉቃ16:24። በጭንቅ ሆኖ የተናገረው ነገር እንደሆነ እየጮኸ እንደነበር ይህ ክፍል ይናገራል። በመቀጠል ደግሞ እንዲህ ይላል:-

      "አብርሃም ግን። ሙሴና ነቢያት አሉአቸው፤ እነርሱን ይስሙ አለው።"ሉቃስ 16 ቁ.29። ስለዚህ በጭንቅ ሆኖ ለሚጮህ መልሱ በምድር ያሉትማ የእግዚአብሔርን ቃል ይስሙ የሚል ምላሽ ነው። ሙሴና ነቢያት ማለት የሙሴ እና የነቢያት መጻህፍት ማለት እንደሆነ አንድምታ ሳያስፈልገው መረዳት ይቻላል።

      የለመድከውን አንድምታ እናምጣ ከተባለ ደግሞ
      አንድም በዚያን ጊዜ የነበረውን መጥምቁን ዮሐንስን ይስሙት ማለይ ነው።
      አንድም የሙሴንና የነቢያትን መጻህፍት ይስሙ ማለት ነው
      አንድም ደግሞ አንተ ነቢይ ነህ ተብሎ የተመሰከረለትን የሰማይና የምድር ጌታ የሆነውን ጌታ ኢየሱስን ይስሙ ማለት ነው።

      ከዚህ በላይ ልትሄድ ከፈለግህ ፈቃዱ የራስህ ቢሆንም ከእግዚአብሔር ቃል ባትላተም ግን እመርጣለሁ። ምክንያቱም

      ዓለት ላይ ብትወድቅም ዓለቱ ቢወድቅብህም ምን ጊዜም የምትሰበረው አንተ ነህና!

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  2. ማኅበረ ቅዱሳን በነጠላ ተሸፋፍኖ ወደ ቤተክርስቲያን የተጠጋ ቀበሮ መቼ መጻሕፍተ ቤተክርስቲያንን ያውቃልና ነው እንደዚህ አድርጋችሁ የምታሙት? ጠበቃዋና ተከላካይዋ እኔ ነኝ ከሚል ልዝብ ምላስ ጋር የረቀቀ መሰሪነቱ ባሻገር ምን በወጣው ነው ከማያውቀው መጻሕፍት ጋር የምታጋጩት? እርሱ እኮ እኔ የምውቃቸው ጻድቃን መኖሪያቸው ሲዖል ከሆነ ከዚያ ይደምረኝ በማለት ስፍራውን አስቀድሞ መናገር የሚችል የህልም ነብይ እንጂ መቼ መጽሐፍ ይዞ የተሳሳተን ለመመለስ ወይም ተሳስቶ ከሆነ ሊመልስ የሚፈልግ ሆነና ነው የሌለውን ዕውቀት የግድ አምጣ የምትሉት? ፍጡራን የፈጣሪ ምስጋና ይገባቸዋል የሚለውን ተከራካሪ ድርጅት ራሱ ከፈጣሪው መጋጨቱን እያወቃችሁ ለምን እናንተ ታጋጩታላችሁ? ኧረ እባካችሁ እሱን ለቀቅ አድርጋችሁ፤ የእውነትን ወንጌል ወዲያ ጠበቅ አድርጋችሁ ለራሳችሁ ያዙ!!!«ለእሉ ክልዔቱ ፍጡራን ስብሐተ ፈጣሪ ይደልዎሙ፤ እስመ ተዓረዩ በክብሮሙ» መስተብቍዕ ዘመስቀል። ማርያምና መስቀል ሁለቱ ፍጡራን ፤ ከፈጣሪያቸው ጋር በክብር እኩል ስለሆኑ የፈጣሪ ምስጋና ይገባቸዋል፤ የሚል ከሃዲ ብቻ ነው። አቻ፤አምሳያና እኩያ የሌለው አምላክ «መኑ ይመስለከ?» መባሉ ቀርቶ ማኅበረ ቅዱሳን ማርያምና መስቀል ያንተን ምስጋና ይጋራሉ ብሎ ወደፈጣሪ ጣሪያ የሚያወጣ ሆኖ ሳለ ምነው የሶርያ ዓይኑ «ዐ» እና አልፋው«አ» የግእዝ ቋንቋ የሆነ ያህል የተደበላለቀን የኛና የነሱን አራምባና ቆቦ ልዩነት ትጠይቁታላችሁ?

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    1. ante yteregemh neh aybalm

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    2. yihi page manew yefeterew erigitegna negn yesetan page new


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  3. Hi guys! Don't hate MK. I know they have some problems but they have also good qualities. Just tell the bishops/Synod to correct it. MK is not Synod.


    I also share that this thing should be corrected. «ለእሉ ክልዔቱ ፍጡራን ስብሐተ ፈጣሪ ይደልዎሙ፤ እስመ ተዓረዩ በክብሮሙ» No one in the church believes this sentence but it is there in the books. Why we should not remove it?

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    1. Knowing is not calling words. Let you know what it means first! Don't finish your race before you begin it!

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  4. I am interested to write some articles about our church the true things, would you post in your web if send you throgh you email?

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  5. ስለ አማላጅነት ትንሽ ልበል

    ቤተ ክርስቲያናችን የቅዱሳን ክብርና አማላጅነት ትቀበላለች

    ነገር ግን ሁሉም ወገን ሊያስተውለው የሚገባ ጉዳይ አለ

    1. ቅዱሳን በሕይወት እያሉ ፡ በቃላቸው ፣ በልብሳቸው፣ በበትራቸው እና በጥላቸው ሳይቀር ድውያንን ይፈውሱ ፤ ሙታንን ያስነሱ እንደነበር የሐዋርያት ሥራ በሰፊው ያስረዳናል ፡ ይህም ሲገለጽ ፡ የነፍሳቸው ንጽህና ለሥጋቸው ፤ የሥጋቸው ንጽህና ለልብሳቸውና ላላቸው ነገር ሁሉ ስለሚተርፍ ነው ፡

    ከሞቱ በሃላም ቃል ኪዳናቸው ይሰራል ። ነገር ግን አንዳንድ መጽሐፍ ቅዱስን ያላነበቡና ፡ ከዕውቀት ይልቅ በፍርሐት የሚያምኑ ሰዎች በስማ-በለው እንደሚናገሩት ሳይሆን ፡ እንደ እግዚአብሐሔር ቃል ሊሆን ይገባዋል ።

    ሙሴ የነአብርሐምን ቃል ኪዳን አስታውሶ እግዚአብሔርን እንደማለደና የእግዚአብሔርን ምሕረት ለሕዝቡ እንዳመጣ ፤ ሰሎሞን በበደለ ጊዜ ፡ እግዚአብሔር ባባቱ በዳዊት ቃል ኪዳን ሲል ፡ ይቅር እንዳለው ፡ መጽሐፍ ቅዱስ ይነግረናል ።

    ዛሬም አምላካችን ፡ በበደላችን ምክንያት ከሚደርስብን መከራ ሁሉ ፡ የቅዱሳንን ቃል ኪዳን አስቦ ይቅር እንዲለን መለመኑ እንደ እግዚአብሔር ቃል ምንም ስህተት የለውም ።
    ስህተቱ : ስም እየጠሩ አማልጅን, አማልደን, ማለቱ ላይ ነው ፡

    ምክንያቱም ፡ ቅዱሳኑ በሥጋ ሞተዋልና አጠገባችን ስለሌሉ ስማቸውን እየጠራን አማልዱን ማለት አያስፈልገንም ። ሥራቸው /ቃል ኪዳናቸው ግን ሕያው ስለሆነ ፡ እንደነ ሙሴ ልንማጸንበት እንችላለን ።

    ቅዱሳን መላእክት ግን ስለማይሞቱ አጸደ ነፍስና አጸደ ሥጋ የሚለው ነገር እነሱን አያካትትም ።

    ስለዚህ ፡ "ሰአ/ዐ/ሊ ለነ ቅድስት" የሚለው ቃል ፡ ራሳቸው ሊቃውንቱ እንዳመኑት የሃላ ሰዎች ሲፈላሰፉ የጨመሩት ስለሆነ ስህተት አለበት ። መባል ያለበት “አምላክ ሆይ ስለ አናትህ (ቃል ኪዳን)ብለህ ይቅር በለን ነው ።

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    1. Ante degmo Ebab neh, trojan horse, temesasleh lemasat tegatga yemitil

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    2. you are blessed my brother.

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  6. እስመ አልቦ ነገር ዘይስአኖ ለእግዚአብሔር።
    እውነትም ለእግዚአብሔር የሚሳነው ነገር የለም አባቶቻችን ለመመለስ ያቃታቸውን አባ ሰላማ መለሰልን። እግዚአብሔር አሁንም ስሙ ከአጽናፍ እስከ አጽናፍ የተመሰገነ ይሁን አሜን። እግዚአብሔር ጾሙን በሰላም አስፈጽሞ ከእመቤታችን ከቅድስት ድንግል ማርያም በረከት ያካፍለን።

    “እኛ ግን ነፍሳቸውን ሊያድኑ ከሚያምኑት ነን እንጅ ወደ ጥፋት ከሚያፈገፍጉ አይደለነም።” ዕብ. 10፡39

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    1. sew lemen teketelalhe denzu tensh awek bezu taweraleh

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  7. Ato Tesfa,

    Even if you have some points, you seem to be confused. You reject the andimita wudase mariam at one point, but you accept it at another. Don't you think this is a great confusion? What is wrong with the prayer "kidist of hoy lemegnlene." What the tergumians are saying is that her prayers are not like the ones while she was just in flesh. There is no tiring now; no rejection; no tears anymore; no suffering; etc... All her prayers are accepted because of the covenant she has and her position in the Church of Christ. It would be foolish to think that the saints are not worshiping God in heaven. In fact, they also worship him in heaven as they did on earth; however, there is no tears; no suffering; no rejection; etc... Prayer for us or against us is part of the worship. For example, we read in Revelation that the martyrs pray to God asking Him to punish those who abused, mimed and killed them on earth, but God tells them to wait until all their brothers finish their martyrdom. What is your answer to this?

    Also, the other surprising issue you raised was on the relationship between St. Mary and Jesus Christ. Don't you believe that Jesus is Mary's Son? How should a mother call her son? What is wrong with Mary referring to Christ as her Son? You are just making a futile attempt to separate St. Mary from her Son. That is impossible!!! Why you guys focus your attack on St. Mary? I don't have any opposition to criticism of some of the church's tradition, but your sharp attack of the Mother of God can eventually cripple you. It is only Satan who dislikes St Mary and wants to separate her from her Son.

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  8. Part II

    Furthermore, as much as we don't now know Christ as we knew Him while He was on earth, we aslo don't know St. Mary as we knew her on earth. In clear words, she is a crowned queen and mother of Christ's church with full grace and authority. The angels praise her in heaven all day long. Don't be surprised; you can be praised as well if you win eventually. So, you should not present as an alien thing St Ephrem's praise of St. Mary. She requested him to praise her because she wanted him to get her blessings, not that she needed his praise to fill a void. That is how blessings are transferred from one to the other. For example, Jacob prepared a meal for his dad, Isaac, to please him and get his blessings. The dad blessed him after eating the meal. Likewise, St Ephrem got blessed after praising St. Mary. Do you get it?

    We can agree on the wrong approach of MK in dealing with the proponents of reform. Some have even been accused and attacked without having any part in it.

    Please don't rush to open your mouth to protest without giving a serious thought about the issues and making sufficient research.

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  9. While I was reading this amazing article, it was just came to my mind that Aba Selama is sent from God to destroy the throne of Satan (Wrong books) that were placed in the church of Christ. On the other hand, it is sad that all bishops/synod are slept and not wanted to be woke up in order to clean all mistakes that the enemy put on the pure harvest of the church.
    Therefore, Aba Selama go for it and be strong to continue the work of God.

    God bless you!

    Deacon Yebasew

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  10. Brother Do not comment with out understanding

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  11. thank you for sharing this topic , i was always thinking about this right moment ...is there anyone who can tell me why we can't discuss such issues with our church fathers , bishops , pops on public ... then we can have a clear image towards the one we worship, preach ....it will be embarrassing to insult people raising such issues ... Please let us keep the sheep before they are taken away . God bless Ethiopia .

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  12. Ato Tesfa,

    Even if you have some points, you seem to be confused. You reject the andimita wudase mariam at one point, but you accept it at another. Don't you think this is a great confusion? What is wrong with the prayer "kidist of hoy lemegnlene." What the tergumians are saying is that her prayers are not like the ones while she was just in flesh. There is no tiring now; no rejection; no tears anymore; no suffering; etc... All her prayers are accepted because of the covenant she has and her position in the Church of Christ. It would be foolish to think that the saints are not worshiping God in heaven. In fact, they also worship him in heaven as they did on earth; however, there is no tears; no suffering; no rejection; etc... Prayer for us or against us is part of the worship. For example, we read in Revelation that the martyrs pray to God asking Him to punish those who abused, mimed and killed them on earth, but God tells them to wait until all their brothers finish their martyrdom. What is your answer to this?

    Also, the other surprising issue you raised was on the relationship between St. Mary and Jesus Christ. Don't you believe that Jesus is Mary's Son? How should a mother call her son? What is wrong with Mary referring to Christ as her Son? You are just making a futile attempt to separate St. Mary from her Son. That is impossible!!! Why you guys focus your attack on St. Mary? I don't have any opposition to criticism of some of the church's tradition, but your sharp attack of the Mother of God can eventually cripple you. It is only Satan who dislikes St Mary and wants to separate her from her Son.

    .....cont'd

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  13. Part II

    Furthermore, as much as we don't now know Christ as we knew Him while He was on earth, we aslo don't know St. Mary as we knew her on earth. In clear words, she is a crowned queen and mother of Christ's church with full grace and authority. The angels praise her in heave all day long. Don't be surprised; you can be praised as well if you win eventually. So, you should not present as an alien thing St Ephrem's praise of St. Mary. She requested him to praise her because she wanted him to get her blessings, not that she needed his praise to fill a void. That is how blessings are transferred from one to the other. For example, Jacob prepared a meal for his dad, Isaac, to please him and get his blessings. The dad blessed him after eating the meal. Likewise, St Ephrem got blessed after praising St. Mary. Do you get it?

    We can agree on the wrong approach of MK in dealing with the proponents of reform. Some have even been accused and attacked without having any part in it.

    Please don't rush to open your mouth to protest without giving a serious thought about the issues and making sufficient research.

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    1. Thank you! keep writing.

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  14. Hello everyone! Please don't afraid to change your mind that is in wrong sate
    Many of wrong opinions get in our church for many last years, so we must clear out the no gospel preaches and traditions.

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  15. Dear all,
    Please defend your position with clarity and biblical evidence....
    " kemisadebu gar aberachihu atisadebu" please shine to the world. Show Tewahedo is the righteous way.

    Dear Brother Tesfa,

    How do you respond to this regarding kidusan begging and praying for us (and others) after they died:
    " Yesadik se'w tselot hailin tadergalech" Yacob 5:16
    Mechem se'w bekumu tsedik ayibalim sayalif...or is it a tradition too?
    another one: Ke Kidus Jerome ( This is the father who compile the Bible which most people in this blog consider the only source of spirituality)
    Saint Jerome's response to the same issue:
    "You say in your book that while we live we are able to pray for each other, but afterwards when we have died, the prayer of no person for another can be heard. . . . But if the apostles and martyrs while still in the body can pray for others, at a time when they ought still be solicitous about themselves, how much more will they do so after their crowns, victories, and triumphs?"

    "Le rasachew bemileminu gizie yamaledu...endet ketsedeku behuwala ayamalidum"

    If one believe life after death (tinsae mutan), how come s/he say kidusan (Holy fathers and mothers) cannot pray for us in heaven?
    Lela min sira alachew their food and drink is praising the lord and praying for us…

    Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In the book of Revelation, we read: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (Rev. 8:3-4).

    "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!" (Ps. 148:1-2).


    Death is a transition to go to an everlasting life for Saints( Kidusan) where there is a crown of love not of metal gold is waiting:
    For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. 2 timothy 4:6
    Thus, Mote (Death) le' Egziabhere sewoch ayinegerim! The lord has bitten death for us.
    Sehali lene dingil enilalen “we believe her ascension and crowning” as david said “ We tiqewum nigist beyemanike… “mezmure 44
    we listen to our fathers…. Not other fathers!!!

    I appologize for not sharing this in amharic....

    Wondime hoye!
    Yerasihin abatoch akaleh yelelochun bitadenk...It shows your luck of wisdom. For the sake of this blog please let us know where and when you attended our church's teaching?

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  16. Dear Nathan and others,
    You seem like a nice guy please base your opinion on the bible...leave MK from this blog. I know my brothers. They can defend themselves.

    Let people learn how to respond to stumbling questions...bring the answers...I posted what I could earlier...Our church has answer to all question we don't because we argue but hesitate to learn...let's ask our fathers and brothers this blog openned an opportunity for us to learn and pay witness to the kingdom of God

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  17. Anonymous @ 1:23PM,

    Which of my positions lack biblical evidence? Please challenge any of them; I am ready to defend my position or admit my mistake, if found incorrect. Jacob's story? The prayer of the saints/martyrs in heaven? Which story is incorrect?

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  18. ለአሥራ ስድስተኛው አስተያየት

    " Yesadik se'w tselot hailin tadergalech" Yacob 5:16
Mechem se'w bekumu tsedik ayibalim sayalif...or is it a tradition too?”

    የጻድቅ ሰው ጸሎት ኃይል ታደርጋለች የሚለው ስለ ኤልያስ የሚተርከው የመጽሐፍ ቅዱስ ክፍል ነው። ይህንን ክፍል በደንብ ከተመለከትከው ኤልያስ በሕይወት እያለ ሶስት ዓመት ከስድስት ወር በጸሎቱ ሰማይን እንደዘጋና የዚህ ጥቅስ ምሳሌ ሆኖ እንደቀረበ ትረዳለህ። ታዲያ መጽሐፍ ቅዱስ የሚናገረው በሕይወት ስለአሉ ጻድቃን እንጂ ከሞቱ በኃላ ነው ብለን ለመጠምዘዝ ለምን እንሞክራለን?

    “የጌታ ዓይኖች ወደ ጻድቃን ናቸውና፥ ጆሮዎቹም ለጸሎታቸው ተከፍተዋል………” (1.ጴጥ.3:12)

    ጽድቅም ሆነ ኩነኔ በሕይወት እንጂ ከሞት በኃላ እንደሆነ መጽሐፍ ቅዱስ አያስተምረንም። የእኛን ስሜት ሳይሆን የቃሉን ምስጢር ለመረዳት እንሞክር እግዚአብሔር ይርዳን አሜን።

    ከታዛቢ

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    1. ለመሆኑ ኤሊያስ ሞቷል እንዴ ከላይ በናታን የተገለጸውን ደማችንን ለምን አትበቀልም የሚለው ቃል ከሞቱ በኋላ ኣይጸልዩም ለምትሉት ለእናንተ በቂ መልስ ነው። ቅዱሳን ሰማይቤት ስራ ፈት ይሆናሉ ብሎ ተስፋ የተባለው ደፋር ግን አላዋቂ ጸሀፊ የጻፈውን የራሱን ትርጓሜ ከመቀበል በመንፈስ ተመርተው አባቶች የጻፉትን መቀበል አይደለም ለመንፈሳዊ ሰው ህሊና ላለው መናፍቅም ይቀላል። የአብ ልጅ የድንግል ማርያም ልጅ ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ አንድ እንደሆነ ለምናምን ለእኛ የልጄ ብትል ስህተት አይሆንብንም። ተስፋ ተባዩ ግን የእመቤታችን ክብር ስለሚያመው ለምን ይህ ተባለ ይለናል።
      የተምታታበት ተስፋ ያጣው ተስፋ ግን ባለአንድምታዎቹየነገሩትን ብቻ ይዞ፣ ሲፈልግ እየተቀበላቸው ሲፈልግ ደግሞ እየሰደባቸው ይጽፋል። አላዋቂ ሳሚ ነው። ግን እናንት ሰዎች ልብ ልትሉ የሚገባው ተስፋ ተብዬው ትክክለኛ የቤተ ክርስቲያንን አስተምህሮ ሳያውቅ ቤተክርስቲያን ስለ እመቤታችንም ሆነ ስለቅዱሳን አማላጅነት የምታስተምረውን አዛብቶ ማቅረቡን ነው። ፥ይህ ማለት በሐዲስ ኪዳንም እግዚአብሔር በክርስቶስ ከገባው ውጭ ሌላ የገባው ኪዳን አለው ለማለት ፈልገን ሳይሆን፥ ሲል ክርስቶስ ያማልዳል ማለቱ ከሆነ፣ በራሱ አባባል ክርስቶስ አሁንም ይሰቀላል፣ ይጸልያል ማለቱ ነው። ለምን ቢሉ ማርያም አታማልድም ያለበት ሎጂክ ይህ ነውና።
      መናፍቁ ማነው ለሚለው ተስፋና ቢጤዎቹ የሚለው መልስ ነው። ማሳረጊያችሁ ማኅበረ ቅዱሳንን መስደብ ሲሆን ጊዜ ደስ አለኝ፤ የነርሱን እውነተኛነት አሳየኝና ድህረ ገጻቸውን ፈልጌ አነበብኩ። በዚህ ዘመን ማህበረ ቅዱሳንን ያስነሳ አምላክ ይባረክ።
      በመጨረሻም ተስፋ ለተባለውና ለቢጤዎቹ የምመክረው የበግ ለምዳችሁን አውልቃችሁ ወደሚመስሏችሁ መናፍቃን ሂዱ። የእመቤታችን ምልጃ፣ የልጇ የጌታ ኢየሱስ ቸርነት አይለየን።

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  19. Anonymous at 4:14pm said "ጽድቅም ሆነ ኩነኔ በሕይወት እንጂ ከሞት በኃላ እንደሆነ መጽሐፍ ቅዱስ አያስተምረንም።"

    You are completely wrong!!! Where does their tsedek or kunene go after they (saints or sinners) have died? The answer is it only becomes irreversible. That means the saint/tsadek becomes purely and permanently tsadek or saint without any fear of fallback or regression to sins. On the other hand, the sinner/tekonagne becomes purely and permanently yetkonene without any hope of becoming a saint.

    My brother ታዛቢ, it is advisable to read and learn well to avoid the kinds of gross mistakes that you have made.

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  20. Dear All,

    I have been reading the Wudassie Marriam Andimita during this Filseta fasting season. It is amazing how powerful the book is! It is sweeter than honey and clearer than water. The book is, of course, closed for nonbelievers. I have been blessed so much; have learned so much; and have been motivated so much that my spirituality has been uplifted. I recommend the book to every Orthodox believer. It is one of the best books that our fore fathers have composed. Thank you St. Ephrem and the Ethiopian fathers. Of course, I always thank my God, Christ Jesus, and His Mother, St. Mary.

    If you want, you can find a free copy in the link below.

    http://www.ethiopianorthodox.org/amharic/holybooks/wedasie%20mariam.pdf

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  21. Dear all

    One of the questions raised in this discussion is the issue of intercession by St. Mary and the saints. And I think this question is one of the issues on which Orthodox Christians and those who are members of the Protestant Church differ. Orthodox Christians in general believe that just as one can ask friends and family for prayer, one can call upon believers in heaven - the saints - for intercession as well. And the reason for this is that although these saints are departed from us, they are with Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior; The Militant Church on earth and the Victorious Church in heaven are intimately bound together in love. If it is proper for one sinner to ask another sinner to pray for him, how much more fitting it must be to ask the saints already glorified and near the throne of God to pray for us. Surely, they know something of what goes on here, for else how could there be rejoicing in heaven over the conversion of one sinner? (Luke 15:10) The saints in heaven are equals of the angels (Luke 20:36), who are used by God in the accomplishment of His purpose (Acts 12:7). (Taken from From The Dawn Newspaper of the Diocese of the South Orthodox Church in America by Archbishop Dimitry).
    To my understanding, when we, Orthodox Christians, worship Christ in church thru songs, prayers, the Eucharist , we are gathering with the “whole church” , those living here on earth as well as those that are departed from this earth but are alive in Christ. I think this is a basic practice of Orthodox Christianity and the word “Seali-lene Kidist” is in line with this practice. We are asking St Mary, the Mother of God, to pray for us. This , of course, does not mean that we are worshipping her. Nor does it mean that we do not pray for ourselves. And this is not the practice of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church only, but the whole Orthodox Churches of the world. So by questioning this practice, I think Tesfa and followers are questioning the practice of the whole Orthodox faith. Are Tesfa and his followers trying to introduce the Protestant faith here?

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    1. you people nathan and Anonymous of August 10 why don't you write in Amharic to share for those people your truly Orthodox belief. Nice expression

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  22. Tazabi @ August 10, 2011 4:14 PM

    Dear Brother( and/or) sister,
    I invite you to read this
    http://www.stmaryscopticorthodox.ca/content/articles/basics/intercession.pdf
    I care therefore I pray that the lord may enlighten our hearts

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  23. PART I:

    Yemisema Joro Yalew Yisma: The following is a detailed lecture on intercesion for Tewahedo believers...when it comes to protestants...we must first agree on the diety of our Lord Saviour and God Jesus Christ. Here it goes...Egziabher Mistrun Yigletilin lebonachnin yabralin:Please,Please Read it carefully before rushing to comment

    INTERCESSION OF THE SAINTS
    BY: H.H. POPE SHENOUDA III
    Our Church believes in the intercession of the Virgin Mary, the Angels and the Saints. Those
    who don't share our view regarding the intercession of the saints, usually cite 1Jn 2:1: "We have
    an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous". They also cite St. Paul: "For there is one
    God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." (1Ti 2:5)
    In support of this important dogma, our church emphasizes the following :
    1) There is a major and essential difference between the Advocacy of our Lord and that of
    the Saints: the Advocacy of Christ is a propitiatory one...
    This means that our Lord is our advocate when we sin having made Himself the propitiation of
    our sins, who paid the wages of sin on our behalf. Christ's advocacy
    with the Father is based on the fact that He has carried -instead of us- the iniquity of us
    all (Is 53:6).
    In this capacity He stands as a mediator between God and men. As a matter of fact, He is the
    only mediator between God and men; having satisfied the Divine justice required by the Father,
    and granting men the forgiveness of their sins by dying on their behalf as a propitiation for their
    sins.
    This is the meaning of the words of St. John the Apostle for he says: "If any man sin, we have an
    advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And He is the propitiation for our sins: and
    not for our sins only, but also for the sins of the whole world". (1Jn 2:1,2)
    This clearly exemplifies the propitiatory nature of Christ's advocacy. It is an advocacy on behalf
    of a sinful man; "if any man sin". A sinful man needs a propitiation. And the only One who
    offered this propitiation is Jesus Christ the righteous. Only he can be our advocate, through the
    blood He shed on our behalf.
    The same intent appears in St. Paul's designation of the Lord Christ as the only mediator between
    God and men: "one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave Himself a
    ransom for all" (1Ti 2:5). He mediates being the Redeemer who gave Himself and paid the
    wages of sin on our behalf.
    No one would argue this unique role of the Lord Christ as sole advocate of man-kind.

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    Intercession of the Saints on behalf of men has nothing to do with propitiation and redemption. It
    is intercession on our behalf before Christ.
    2) Intercession of the Saints is merely a prayer on our behalf, it is a supplicatory
    intercession far removed from Christ's propitiatory advocacy.
    The bible supports this kind of intercession: "pray one for another" (James 5:16). Even the Saints
    requested others to pray for them. St. Paul asks the Thessalonians: "pray for us" (2Thes 3:1). The
    same he asks of the Hebrews (Heb 13:18), and of the Ephesians "Praying always with all prayer
    and supplication..for all the saints; and for me, that utterance may be given unto me" (Eph 6:18).
    Similar requests for prayer are innumerable in the Bible. Now, if the Saints request our prayers,
    shouldn't we request theirs ?
    And if we ask others to pray for us who are still striving, in this life and are "subject to like
    passions as we are", shouldn't we rather ask for the prayers of those who finished their course
    and are living in Paradise with Christ?
    Have they lost their favor after departing from earth to Paradise? or is it only lawful to ask for
    their prayers here on earth but not where thy are so close to Christ in Paradise?
    And if we request men to pray for us, shouldn't we rather ask the Angels to pray for us?
    To be continued....

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  25. Part III
    3)God often requested the intercession of the righteous on behalf of other people:
    God often asked for, approved, and allowed this to happen. We shall give some examples for
    intercessions that God accepted:
    a-The story of the Patriarch Abraham and King Abimelech:
    Abimelech sinned in taking Sarah (Abraham's wife) unto his household, but he did this in "the
    integrity of his heart" for Abraham said of her that she is his sister. Now the Lord came to
    Abimelech in a dream and warned him that he would surely die. Then the Lord said unto him:
    "Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou
    shalt live." (Gen 20: 1-7)
    The Lord could have forgiven him as soon as he restored the woman to her husband, but He
    added the condition that Abraham pray for him that he may live. Here we see an example of God
    asking specifically for the intercession of Abraham on behalf of Abimelech.
    b-The intercession of Abraham on behalf of Sodom:
    The Lord could have inflicted His punishment on the city of Sodom without involving the
    Patriarch Abraham in this affair. And Abraham did not intervene of his own initiative. It was the
    Lord Who discussed the matter with Abraham and thus gave him a chance to intercede on behalf
    of those people, and accepted his intercession. The Lord saw fit that this incident should be
    recorded in the Bible that He may exalt Abraham before the whole world, and demonstrate to us
    to what extent He honors His Saints...The Bible records this as follows: "And the Lord said,
    Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do ?!" (Gen 18:17)... And the Lord discussed the
    matter with Abraham, and gave him a chance to intercede on behalf of the city in case there
    were 50, or 45, or 40, or 30, or 20, or even 10 righteous people in the city, that the Lord may
    spare the city for their sake.
    This does not only serve to demonstrate the favor that Abraham has with God, but also the favor
    that all the righteous have with God, seeing that God would have spared a whole city for their
    sakes. "And the Lord said, If I find fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place
    for their sakes"...."I will not do it for the forty's sake" ..."I will not destroy it for twenty's sake",
    "I will not destroy it for ten's sake". (Gen 18:26-32).
    The use of the words "for the sake of..." is Theo- logically significant, since it exemplifies God's
    saving of certain people for the sake of others. It gives a clear indication of the intercession of
    the righteous on behalf of the sinners, and of God's approval of such intercession, even before
    such intercession is invoked or offered...
    c- The intercession of Moses on behalf of the people of Israel:
    God condemned the people of Israel to destruction because of the golden calf. Nevertheless, He
    did not execute His Judgment immediately, but rather discussed the matter with the Prophet
    Moses, thus offering him a chance to intercede on their behalf, and indeed, accepted his
    intercession.
    And as Abraham addressed the Lord saying: "That be far from Thee to do after this manner",
    Moses say's to Him: "Turn from Thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against Thy people.
    Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel Thy servants, to whom Thou swarest...". The Bible tells
    us after this "And the Lord repented of the evil which He thought to do unto His people." (Ex 32:
    7-14)
    to be continued...

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  26. Part IV:

    So-far, we have cited examples of the prayer of the living on behalf of the living. Those who
    departed, have even more favor with God, so much so, that God spared people for their sakes
    even without their prayers. How much more would He, had they prayed for someone:
    As an example we cite God's acts of mercy and compassion for the sake of His servant David.
    On account of King Solomon's sin, God decided to divide his kingdom, however, God tells him
    concerning this matter: "Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father's sake:
    but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son. Howbeit I will not rend away all the kingdom; but
    will give one tribe to thy son for David my servant's sake.." (1Kings 11:12,13).
    God repeats the same account when He speaks with Jeroboam: "..behold I will rend the kingdom
    out of the hand of Solomon...but he shall have one tribe for my servant David's sake..." (1Kings
    11:31,32).... "...I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all
    the days of his life for David my servant's sake.."(1Kings 11:34).
    God repeats the same expression "for David my servant's sake" 3 times in the same chapter. On
    account of this the psalmist pleads with God saying: "For Thy servant David's sake turn not
    away the face of thine anointed." (Ps 132:10).
    If such is the favor that David has with God, how much more would be the favor that the Virgin
    and the Angels have? and the favor of John the Baptist (greatest ever born of a woman)? And
    how much would be the favor of the martyrs who suffered and died for His sake?
    And since we find no fault in asking for the prayers of our fellows on earth, why shouldn't we
    ask for the prayers of those who "shine as the brightness of the firmament" (Dan 12:3). And why
    shouldn't we ask for the prayers of those who..fought the good fight, finished the course, kept the
    faith..(IITi 4:7).
    And if intercession (which is actually prayer on our behalf) is considered an advocacy, and as
    such is unacceptable, then the prayers offered by any person on behalf of another would also be
    an unsolicited advocacy, since we have only one advocate!
    And if this is so, then the Apostle must have erred (God forbid), when he said: "pray one for
    another" (Jas 5:16), since the relation between God and man is a direct one, and -in view of the
    Divine love- needs no body else's prayer!
    It follows also, that all the prayers on behalf of others that are mentioned in the Bible are
    meaningless and contrary to Divine love!! (according to them), since God loves His children and
    does not need others to pray on their behalf to remind Him of His parental care and love for
    them!
    And then we will be at a loss when we try to explain God's purpose when He asked for
    Abraham's prayers on behalf of Abimelech and of Job's prayers on behalf of his friends.
    to be continued

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  27. PART V:

    Prayers of people (whether departed or striving) for others is a proof of the mutual love that
    exists between them. It is a proof of the faith of those living that those departed are alive and that
    their prayers are acceptable before God. It is a proof of the honor that God bestows upon His
    saints.
    It is for the benefit of mankind that God allowed this form of intercession. It constitutes a bridge
    between the inhabitants of heaven and earth.
    A question often asked by those who don't believe in intercession: Do Angels and saints know
    our affairs on earth and can they receive our prayers?
    The answer is an emphatic yes for the following reasons:
    1- There is no doubt that the knowledge of those in heaven is far more than that of those on
    earth. Saint Paul tells us: "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I
    know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." (1Co 13:12). This means that our
    knowledge will increase as we reach the "other world" and many mysteries will be revealed to us
    once we shed this carnal body that restrains the spirit. There and then our knowledge shall
    increase and we shall depart from the circle of "knowledge in part" to a much wider circle of
    knowledge.
    2- Angels know our affairs on earth as is evident from the Lord's saying: "there is joy in the
    presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth" (Luke 15:10). The affairs of those
    on earth are thus known to the heavenly be they Angels or spirits of the righteous. They know
    those who repent and they rejoice for their repentance for how can they rejoice if they don't
    know?
    3-Angels know our prayers because they carry our prayers to the throne of God. The evidence
    for this is abundant especially in the book of revelation where we are told that the prayers of the
    saints are offered before God from the hands of the Angel and from his censer.(Rev 8:3-5) The
    same can be said of the "four and twenty elders" (priests) in Rev 5:8 "having every one of
    them..golden vials full of odours which are the prayers of the saints." This is evidence of their
    knowledge of our prayers which they offer to God. The same can be said of our Guardian
    Angel "Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you that in heaven
    their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven." (Mat 18:10)
    4- Another example is the story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:25, where Abraham tells
    the rich man: "Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise
    Lazarus evil things.." How did our father Abraham know about the lives of both Lazarus and the
    rich man? Again when the rich man asks Abraham to send Lazarus to his five brothers to "testify
    unto them lest they also come to this place of torment" Abraham answers: "They have Moses and
    the prophets" (Luke 1628,29). How could Abraham have known about Moses and the prophets
    knowing that he departed from earth hundreds of years before the birth of Moses and the other
    prophets? Obviously he knew about all these things. How could he not know when the Lord
    says of him: "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day:and he saw it, and was glad." (Jn
    8:56).
    To be continued...

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  28. Part VI:
    5- The testimony of the spirits of the martyrs: Saint John tells us in the book of Revelations: "I
    saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God and for the testimony
    which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long O Lord, Holy and true, dost
    Thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on earth? And white robes were given
    unto every one of them, and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season,
    until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be
    fulfilled." (Rev 6:9-11).
    You see, those martyrs knew after their death, that the Lord had not yet avenged them, and they
    cry unto God: How long willt Thou suffer that iniquity be victorious on earth? And how long
    willt Thou suffer that the strong in the flesh destroy thy children? And how long will they
    continue shedding their blood? How could those martyrs know about these things? They knew
    indeed, and when their "fellow-servants shall be fulfilled" they will know.
    6- Another amazing incident involving Elijah the prophet is recorded in 2Ch 21. The story is
    told of King Jehoram who slew all his children, made high places (for the worship of idols), and
    wrought that which was evil in the eyes of the Lord.."And there came a writing to him from
    Elijah the prophet saying thus saith the Lord....because thou hast not walked in the ways of
    Jehoshaphat thy father....behold, with a great plague will the Lord smite thy people and thy
    children..." This, in spite of the fact that Elijah was taken up to heaven several years earlier! How
    could this happen? and how did Elijah know after his departure from earth? and how did he
    manage to send this message?.
    7- The departed saints live, the Lord explains this to the Sadducees: "have ye not read that which
    was spoken unto you by God saying: I am the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God
    of Jacob. God is not a God of the dead, but of the living." (Mat 22:31,32). Those saints are
    living, so why consider them dead by not asking for their prayers?
    Both Moses and Elijah appeared with the Lord on Mount Tabor during the Transfiguration.
    Moses who died in the flesh 14 centuries earlier, was seen with the Lord alive same like Elijah
    who was taken up to heaven. The spirits of the righteous are immortal, they are in paradise,
    where they see and know more than we do
    Let us now consider some biblical examples of the intercession of the Angels:
    The book of Zechariah tells us of an Angel interceding on behalf of Jerusalem, "Then the angel
    of the Lord answered and said: O Lord of hosts, how long willt Thou not have mercy on
    Jerusalem..." his intercession was indeed accepted by the Lord "thus saith the Lord: I am
    returned to Jerusalem with mercies, my house shall be built in it saith the Lord of hosts" (Zech
    1:12-16).
    Another example is the Angel interceding on behalf of Joshua the high priest, when Satan was
    standing to resist him, we hear the Angel say "The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan...is not this a brand
    plucked out of fire?" The intercession of the Angel was indeed accepted for we are told
    concerning Joshua: "Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, behold I
    have caused thy iniquity to pass from thee.." (Zech 3:1-4).
    We are also told of Israel when he blessed the two children of Joseph his son that he said: "The
    Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads." (Gen 48:16).
    Angels are described in the epistle to the Hebrews as "ministering spirits, sent forth to minister
    for them who shall be heirs of salvation." (Heb 1:14). If they have a ministry on behalf of people
    here on earth, how much more would be their ministry on our behalf in heaven where they
    belong?
    Final part coming up next...

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  29. PART VII..

    Let us finally answer another objection that is put forward:
    Some say that we should not "pray to the saints" only to God. Indeed! for in asking for their help
    we are not praying to the saints but actually asking them to pray on our behalf.
    We ask for the saints intercession because of the great favor they have with God.
    We ask for their intercession because God allowed and accepted such intercessions.
    We believe in intercession because we believe in the life of the world to come. Because we
    believe that the saints who departed are alive.
    We ask for the intercession of the Saints to honor them for God himself honors them by
    accepting their intercessions. "If any man serve me, him will my Father honor." (Jn 12:26).
    We believe in intercession because we believe in the unity of the body of Christ (the church) we
    are all members of the one body whether we are here on earth or there in heaven. We intercede
    for them by praying for those who departed, and they intercede for us, and this exemplifies the
    true unity of the body of Christ.
    By believing in intercession we practice humility, deeming ourselves needy for the prayers of
    those saints who have pleased God.

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  30. Yes I am not praying to the saint, only to God

    "Let us finally answer another objection that is put forward: Some say that we should not "pray to the saints" only to God. Indeed! for in asking for their help we are not praying to the saints." admited!!!

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  31. ዳዊት ሲጸልይ እንዲህ ብሎ በመዝሙር 115 አለ
    17 አቤቱ፥ ሙታን የሚያመሰግኑህ አይደሉም ወደ ሲኦልም የሚወርዱ ሁሉ፤
    18 እኛ ሕያዋን ግን ከዛሬ ጀምሮ እስከ ዘላለም እግዚአብሔርን እንባርካለን። ሃሌ ሉያ።

    መቼም በትርጉም ብዙ የተዛባ ትምህርት ከትክክለኛው ትምህርት አዛብቶናል
    ሲኦል በዕብራይስጥ መቃብር የሚለው ነው
    shol {sheh-ole'}; place to which people descend at death
    Transliteration: sheol
    Or shol {sheh-ole'}; from sha'al; Hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates -- grave, hell, pit.
    see HEBREW sha'al
    18 For the gravec cannot praise you,
    death cannot sing your praise;
    those who go down to the pit
    cannot hope for your faithfulness.
    19 The living, the livingthey praise you,
    as I am doing today;
    fathers tell their children
    about your faithfulness.
    20 The Lord will save me,
    and we will sing with stringed instruments
    all the days of our lives
    in the temple of the Lord.

    ጌታችን ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ እንዲህ ብሎናል
    እኔ መንገድና እውነት ሕይወትም ነኝ፤ በእኔ በቀር ወደ አብ የሚመጣ የለም።

    ከቅዲስ ኤፍሬም ድርሰቶች ዋናው በኦርቶዶክሳውያን በዐቢይ ጾም የሚጸለየው
    O Lord and Master of my life, give me not the spirit of sloth, idle curiosity (meddling), lust for power and idle talk.
    But grant unto me, Thy servant, a spirit of chastity (integrity), humility, patience and love.
    Yea, O Lord and King, grant me to see mine own faults and not to judge my brother. For blessed art Thou unto the ages of ages. Amen.
    ቅዱሳን ፍጹማን ባይሆኑም ጌታችን ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ በመከተል በሕይወታቸው ላደረጉት ሩጫ ዋጋቸውን በትንሣኤ ያገኛሉ
    እኛም ቀጥተኛውን መንገድ ሕይወት ሕይወት ሰጪ ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ ብቻ ከሰማይ የወረደ ከእርሱ በቀር ወደ ሰማይ የወጣ ማንም የሌለ፥ እርሱም በሰማይ የሚኖረው የሰው ልጅ ነው።
    ሌላ አማላጅ ለምን እፈልጋልሁ

    መቼም ይሄ ኑፋቄ ነው ይሄ ተሓድሶ ነው የሚሉ ይኖራሉ
    እኔ ግን ትክክለኛው ያልተጣመመው ኦርቶዶክስ እምነት
    “orthodox” means “right belief” or “right praise.
    ይህ ነው እላለሁ።

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  32. To dan @ August 12, 2011 9:34 AM

    If you have read the article from part I to VII its well said by HH Pope Shenoda III. You gotta diffrentiate between intercetion (amalaj betselot) and redeemption. There is a major and essential difference between the Advocacy of our Lord and that of
    the Saints: the Advocacy of Christ is a propitiatory one...
    This means that our Lord is our advocate when we sin having made Himself the propitiation of
    our sins, who paid the wages of sin (death) on our behalf.
    There is no pit and grave ( sheol) if you will for christians anymore...we are children of his kingdom if we are abiding by his rules.
    As humble as we should be, we are not immune from sin just yet.If we don't commit an act of sin we may dream or speak of it thus we ask others who follow The Lord God Jesus Christ and bit the world to pray for us seek forgiveness for us like that angel who begged for people on Luke 14 I believe. ( give them time they will be fruitful...)
    For I am a sinner and weak, I will beg my Lord ( who is omnibenivolent) through all avenues available to put me on the right way.

    The way of this world is destruction. We are witnessing the fruit of protesting which is denial of God, all the sinfull acts described in the bible.

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  33. ወንድሜ/እህቴ ጥሩ ነው
    You said
    “There is no pit and grave ( sheol) if you will for christians anymore.”

    Where do you think all the dead are?
    They are in the grave. When we die our bodies are put in the grave

    ዳዊት በጸሎቱ ያለው
    እግዚአብሔርን የሚያመሰግን በሕይወት ያለ እንጂ በመቃብር ያለ አይደለም

    እኛም በሕይወት ሳለን ነው እምናመስግነው
    በሕይወት ሳለን ለወንድሞቻችን እህቶቻን እንጸልይ
    በሕይወት ላሉ ለተራቡ ለታረዙ ለታመሙ ክርስቲያናዊ እርዳታ እናድርግ

    ስለ አማላኝነት

    ትንቢተ ኢሳይያስ ምዕራፍ 59።
    ያለውን እናስተውል
    እነሆ፥ የእግዚአብሔር እጅ ከማዳን አላጠረችም፥ ጆሮውም ከመስማት አልደነቈረችም፤
    ይህም ማለት እጁ ለማዳን አጭር አይደለም
    ጆሮውም ልመናችንን ለመስማት ሳይችል ቀርቶ የሌሎችን ድምጽ አይጠብቅም

    ከጻድቁ ይልቅ በኅጥያት ወድቄአለሁ ማረኝ ብሎ የሚለምነውን ፈጥኖ ይሰማል

    “ለአንድ ሰው መቶ በጎች ቢኖሩት ከእነርሱም አንዱ ቢባዝን፥
    ዘጠና ዘጠኙን በተራራ ትቶ ሄዶም የባዘነውን አይፈልግምን?
    ቢያገኘውም፥ እውነት እላችኋለሁ፥ ካልባዘኑቱ ከዘጠና ዘጠኙ ይልቅ በእርሱ ደስ ይለዋል። “

    እኔ ይህን የጌታን ትምህርት ሳነብ ሌሎች ጻድቃን ካልጸለዩልህ ጸሎትህን ፈጥኜ አልሰማም አይለኝም

    I said when we die our bodies are put in the grave – this is a fact.

    ቅዱስ ጳውሎስ ቅዱስ ጴጥሮስ ሌሎችም የት እንደተቀበሩ በብዙዋቹም ቤተ ክርስቲያን እንደታነጸባቸው እናውቃለን
    ቅዱስ ጳውሎስ ሲያስተምር
    ከሙታን የተነሣው፥ በእግዚአብሔር ቀኝ ያለው፥ ደግሞ ስለ እኛ የሚማልደው ክርስቶስ ኢየሱስ ነው።

    ስለ ራሱም እንዲህ አለ

    በመሥዋዕት እንደሚደረግ፥ የእኔ ሕይወት ይሠዋልና፥ የምሄድበትም ጊዜ ደርሶአል።
    መልካሙን ገድል ተጋድዬአለሁ፥ ሩጫውን ጨርሼአለሁ፥ ሃይማኖትን ጠብቄአለሁ፤
    ወደ ፊት የጽድቅ አክሊል ተዘጋጅቶልኛል፥ ይህንም ጻድቅ ፈራጅ የሆነው ጌታ ያን ቀን ለእኔ ያስረክባል፥ ደግሞም መገለጡን ለሚወዱት ሁሉ እንጂ ለእኔ ብቻ አይደለም።
    ነገር ግን ሩጫዬንና ከጌታ ከኢየሱስ የተቀበልሁትን አገልግሎት እርሱም የእግዚአብሔርን ጸጋ ወንጌልን መመስከር እፈጽም ዘንድ ነፍሴን በእኔ ዘንድ እንደማትከብር እንደ ከንቱ ነገር እቆጥራለሁ።
    አሁንም፥ እነሆ፥ እኔ የእግዚአብሔርን መንግሥት እየሰበክሁ በመካከላችሁ የዞርሁ ሁላችሁ ከእንግዲህ ወዲህ ፊቴን እንዳትዩ አውቃለሁ።
    ይህንም ብሎ ተንበርክኮ ከሁላቸው ጋር ጸለየ።
    ሁሉም እጅግ አለቀሱ፥ ጳውሎስንም አንገቱን አቅፈው ይስሙት ነበር፤
    ይልቁንም ከእንግዲህ ወዲህ ፊቴን አታዩም ስላላቸው ነገር እጅግ አዘኑ።

    መቼ ነው የምንነሳው ይህስ መቼ ይሆናል ብትል ይህ የሚሆነው በጌታችን ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ ሁለተኛ መምጣት ይሆናል

    አብ በራሱ ሕይወት እንዳለው እንዲሁ ደግሞ ለወልድ በራሱ ሕይወት እንዲኖረው ሰጥቶታልና።
    የሰው ልጅም ስለ ሆነ ይፈርድ ዘንድ ሥልጣን ሰጠው።
    በመቃብር ያሉቱ ሁሉ ድምፁን የሚሰሙበት ሰዓት ይመጣል፤ መልካምም ያደረጉ ለሕይወት ትንሣኤ ክፉም ያደረጉ ለፍርድ ትንሣኤ ይወጣሉና በዚህ አታድንቁ።
    ነገር ግን አስቀድሞ ፍጥረታዊው ቀጥሎም መንፈሳዊው ነው እንጂ መንፈሳዊው መጀመሪያ አይደለም።
    የፊተኛው ሰው ከመሬት መሬታዊ ነው፤ ሁለተኛው ሰው ከሰማይ ነው።
    መሬታዊው እንደ ሆነ መሬታውያን የሆኑት ደግሞ እንዲሁ ናቸው፥ ሰማያዊው እንደ ሆነ ሰማያውያን የሆኑት ደግሞ እንዲሁ ናቸው።
    የዚያንም የመሬታዊውን መልክ እንደ ለበስን የሰማያዊውን መልክ ደግሞ እንለብሳለን።
    ነገር ግን፥ ወንድሞች ሆይ፥ ይህን እላለሁ። ሥጋና ደም የእግዚአብሔርን መንግሥት ሊወርሱ አይችሉም፥ የሚበሰብሰውም የማይበሰብሰውን አይወርስም።
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    1. አንተ በትቢት የተወጠርህ ትቢት የሰይጣንና የተባባሪወቹ ነው። ምንም አማላጅ የለም ምተል ከሆነም እነ አብርሐምን፣ ሙሴን፣ኤልያስንና የሌሎችምንም አማላጅነት ከመጽሀፍ ቅዱስ ላይ አንብብ። አንተ የምታወራው የማርቴል ሉተር የሙት ፍልስፍና ነውና የሙት ፍልስፍናን ከማራመድ ታረም ወይም መናፍቅ ነህና ማንነትሕን ፈትሽ!

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  34. I have sent you the Book on Comparative theology by His Hliness Abuna Shenouda. It will clarify your herthodxy views.

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    1. Glory be to God and his Mom, Virgin Mary. The points this writer raised are all illogical and unsupported with biblical verses. Let me start with his statements the writer mentioned:
      1. "ሐሳቡ በእግዚአብሔር ቃል ሲመዘን በመጽሐፍ ቅዱስ የምናውቃትን የጌታችን እናት ድንግል ማርያምን አይገልጥም። እኛ ድንግል ማርያምን የምናውቃት በትሕትናዋ፣ በዝምታዋ፣ ነፍሴ ጌታን ታከብረዋለች እንዳለች የእግዚአብሔርን ክብር የምታስቀድም መሆኗን ነው "- here the statement mentions that Virgin Mary, blessed she is, doesn't even say bless me as she is more quiet, decent etc Please go and read the statement of Virgin Mary which says " behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed" here virgin Mary is telling everyone that she will be called blessed- kalgebah yamesagenugnal betset yelugnal eyalech eko new and Abatachenen Kidus Ephrem heda betset balegn betelew lesua endet new aberew yemayehedut. Saint Gebriel enkuan yamasegenaten enat Abatachen Kedus Ephrem endiyamasagenat edel mastetua tehetenawan yamalaketal. Ene tsehafiw temeralehu belo sewochen gira lemagabat ye tekulawen lamed labeso yameta menafek mahonu betam geltse new behonem Dingil eredetaw bimalese egna males kamasetet wadehuala anelem. tehitina yalew sew yamiwadawen karebo amasegenegne yelal wayes liyamasagen eyafalage ayegebahem belo zem yelewal? Ene ya melaku ena ye Elsabet endihum ye Yohanes misgana yebekagnal bela alkorachem kegnam kewedajochua andabet zawater yaminakerbelaten tehetena satenek yametekabel enat nech- Lebonahen taberaleh yezane badaneb tayaleh!!!

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    2. Glory be to God and his Mom, Virgin Mary. The points this writer raised are all illogical and unsupported with biblical verses. Let me start with his statements the writer mentioned:
      1. "ሐሳቡ በእግዚአብሔር ቃል ሲመዘን በመጽሐፍ ቅዱስ የምናውቃትን የጌታችን እናት ድንግል ማርያምን አይገልጥም። እኛ ድንግል ማርያምን የምናውቃት በትሕትናዋ፣ በዝምታዋ፣ ነፍሴ ጌታን ታከብረዋለች እንዳለች የእግዚአብሔርን ክብር የምታስቀድም መሆኗን ነው "- here the statement mentions that Virgin Mary, blessed she is, doesn't even say bless me as she is more quiet, decent etc Please go and read the statement of Virgin Mary which says " behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed" here virgin Mary is telling everyone that she will be called blessed- kalgebah yamesagenugnal betset yelugnal eyalech eko new and Abatachenen Kidus Ephrem heda betset balegn betelew lesua endet new aberew yemayehedut. Saint Gebriel enkuan yamasegenaten enat Abatachen Kedus Ephrem endiyamasagenat edel mastetua tehetenawan yamalaketal. Ene tsehafiw temeralehu belo sewochen gira lemagabat ye tekulawen lamed labeso yameta menafek mahonu betam geltse new behonem Dingil eredetaw bimalese egna males kamasetet wadehuala anelem. tehitina yalew sew yamiwadawen karebo amasegenegne yelal wayes liyamasagen eyafalage ayegebahem belo zem yelewal? Ene ya melaku ena ye Elsabet endihum ye Yohanes misgana yebekagnal bela alkorachem kegnam kewedajochua andabet zawater yaminakerbelaten tehetena satenek yametekabel enat nech- Lebonahen taberaleh yezane badaneb tayaleh!!!

      2.ድንግል ማርያምም ያለ ጸሎትና ያለ ምልጃ በምድር ላይ አልኖረችም። በምድር ላይ በኖረችበት ጊዜ ታማልድ፣ ትጸልይ፣ ትለምን ነበር። ያን ጸሎቷን እግዚአብሔር ሳይረሳ ሊፈጽምላት እንደሚችል እናምናለን። አባቶቻችን ያስተማሩን ይህን ነው። ዛሬ በሰማይ እንደምትለምን የሚናገር የመጽሐፍ ቅዱስ ቃል የለም።
      yehe dagmo lelaw yalgebah point new gin baregte tamerehal? ene betam eregetegna hogne yamenagerew nager wey yehen simaru ante class alegebahem, wayem class westem honeh sinager alegebahem wayem ke tekulawochu andu neh. Esti bible yegeletse ena yetaye ye Yohanees eraye yaminagarewen becha mayetu beki new- Melkam serachew kidusanun teketelowachew endamihed alanababekem ende? Ebakehen Wandeme eyaw gelatsena...Ante lemamaledu yechenkehale ende kidusan hawareyaten eko be 12 tu negede lay tefaredalachehu eko new yalachew, Ethiopiatuan Nigist Saban ya Salamonen tebeb lemayet bamehedua becha Getachen ewnat ewnat elachehualehu be dagme metseat gize teferdalech belowal eko bemayetabalew kalu.
      Mastewal yalabeh/sh nager gin Kedusan bezih meder lay be tsome, be lekso, be segdet, be bezu makera yelamenalu be atsede nafse dagmo kef bale keber yemesgana ye tselot serachewen yeketelalu. Ene emelew kidusan be akal simotu, heaven yarefalu serachewen fatsemewal yamilawel keyet new yagagnahew benateh estitsadiku Abatachen Abrham dehaw ena bale tsegaw simotu min endadarage hedeh anbeb...

      Sele Enatachen, sele Emeberehan Kibre ena tsega bezu balkugn naber nager gin lagizew ezih lay labeka. Ande nager gin betam kulech belo yetayegnal...metsaf selalabeh becha atetsaf,at least yetsafekawin nager majameriya lekuadejocheh asayachew yehenen kelal teyake ye kidist betekerestiyan sebketoch lay tagegnewaleh terat aderge Dengel Mariyam Azagnetua ewenatun teglatseleh tehetenawa bezu selahone antem gar meta ba fekrua temerah yehenen selahone ke lejua ena ke Amlakua ke Getawa ke Medhanyalem Eyesus kerestos yetemarachew!!!

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    3. While the Blessed Virgin Mary was certainly a godly young woman greatly blessed in that she was chosen to bear the Saviour of the world, she was not in any way divine, nor was she sinless, nor is she to be worshipped, revered, venerated, or prayed to. All followers of the Lord God refuse worship. Peter and the apostles refused to be worshipped (Acts 10:25-26; 14:13-14). The holy angels refuse to be worshipped (Revelation 19:10; 22:9). The response is always the same, "Worship God!" To offer worship, reverence, or veneration to anyone but God is nothing short of idolatry.
      Jesus Himself issued a mild rebuke to a woman who cried out to Him, "Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you" (Luke 11:27), replying to her, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it." By doing so, He curtailed any tendency to elevate Mary as an object of worship. He could certainly have said, “Yes, blessed be the Queen of Heaven!” But He did not. He was affirming the same truth that the Bible affirms—there is no queen of heaven, and the only biblical references to the “queen of heaven” refer to the goddess of an idolatrous, false religion.
      1st Timothy 2:5 declares, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." There is no one else that can mediate with God for us. If Jesus is the ONLY mediator, that indicates Mary and the saints cannot be mediators. They cannot mediate our prayer requests to God. Further, the Bible tells us that Jesus Christ Himself is interceding for us before the Father: "Therefore He is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He always lives to intercede for them" (Hebrews 7:25). With Jesus Himself interceding for us, why would we need Mary or the saints to intercede for us? Whom would God listen to more closely than His Son? Romans 8:26-27 describes the Holy Spirit interceding for us. With the 2nd and 3rd members of the Trinity already interceding for us before the Father in heaven, what possible need could there be to have the Blessed Virgin Mary or the saints interceding for us?

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  54. menafik amenk alamenk lehilina netsanet melkam sira kekifu sira sayishal ayikerm sirate emnetin ketefetirona ke orthodox hayimanot temar tintawi newna

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  55. አባ ሰላማ የሚባለው አካል ባላውቀውም፡፡ ስለውዳሴ ማርያም የሰጠኸውን ቃል የክህደት ትምህርት እንደሆነ ነው እኔ የተረዳሁት፡፡ በእውቀት ማነስ ነው እንዳልል አንተ መጽሐፍ ቅዱስን አንብበህ እንደጨረስክና ከዚያም አልፈህ ትርጓሜ ሁሉ እንዳነበብክ ነው የገለጽከው፡፡ ስለዚህ ይህንን ሁሉ ያነበበ ሰው ደግሞ የመጨረሻው ድምዳሜ እመቤታችን ቅድስት ድንግል ማርያም ወይም ቅዱሳን አባቶች ዛሬ የሚለምኑ አይደለም!! የሚል አንድምታ ላይ የደረስከው መቼም ካለማወቅ ብዬ ለመናገር ስለከበደኝ መናፍቅነት ወይም የክህደት ትምህርት ነው ብዬ ብናገር ሀሰት አይደለም፡፡ ግእዝ ስለአወራክ አንተ ትክክል ነህ ብለን እንድናም ያደረከው ጥረት ደግሞ የሚገርም አስተሳሰብ ነው፡፡ ይህች የወደቀውንና ከመሬት ማንሳት የምትከብደውን አስተሳሰብህን ደግሞ ለራስህና ለደጋፊዎችህ አድርገው፡፡ የገረምከኝ ደግሞ መጽሐፍ ቅዱስ ውስጥ ሰው ከሞተ በኋላ እንደሚጸልይ አያወራም የምትለው፡፡ ሞት ማለት እራሱ ምንድን ነው እንደእግዚአብሔር ቃል አገላለጽ? በመጀመሪያ መጽሐፍ ቅዱስ የቱን መጽሐፍ ነው? Bible ነው ወይስ ‘Holly Books’ ? ደግሞስ መጽሐፍ ቅዱስ የተፃፈው ላልሞቱት ነው የሚል አለ? እኔ ግን የሐንስ ራእይ ላይ 19፣ 1ዐ መልአኩ ለወንጌላዊው ሲነግረው ይህንን ቃል ከሚጠብቁት ነኝ ሲል ሰምቼዋለሁና የእግዚአብሔር ቃል ለሰማይም ለምድርም ላሉት የእግዚአብሔር ፍጥረት የሚጠብቁት ቃል እንደሆነ ነው የተረዳሁት፡፡ አንተ ግን እንዴት እንደተረዳኸው ባላውቅም፡፡ብዙ ወንድሞች ስለገለጹት አልደጋግመውም፡፡ እኛ የምናመልከው የሕያዋን አምላክ ነው፡፡ አንተ እኮ ልክ እንደማርያም መግደላዊት ሆንክብኝ፡፡ጌታችን ስለትንሳኤ በደንብ አስተምሯት እርሷ እሱ ከነገራት የበለጠ አይሁድ በአንድ ደቂቃ ባልሞላ ሀሳብ ያወሩት ልቧን ቀየረው፡፡ አንተ ወስደህው ነው ብላ መጠየቋ ሁልጊዜ ይገርመኛል፡፡ አንተም አባቶችህ ካስተማሩትና ቃሉ ከነገረህ የበለጠ የመናፍቃን ትምህርት ልብህን ስለቀየረው የጌታን ትምህርት እረስተህ በጎልጎታ አካባቢ ቆመህ የጌታን መቃብር መፈለግህ በእውነት ምን ያህል የሰው ልጅ ከእግዚአብሔር ቃል ይልቅ ለወሬ የጎበዝን ትውልድ እንደሆንን ነው የተረዳሁት፡፡ ከእርሷ መማር ነበረብህ፡፡ ጌታችን መድሀኒታችን ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ የሰውን ልጅ ሕያው ያደረገው እኮ በስጋው ሞቶ እንደሆነ ቃሉ ያስተምረናል፡፡ ካዲያ በሰጋ መሞት ማለት ግን በቃ እረፍት ማለት ነው ብሎ አልነገረንም፡፡ የሕይወት አስተማሪ ስለሆነ ቀጥታ በሲኦል ያሉትን ነፍሳት ወደ እረፍት ሲመልስ ነው ቅዱሳት መጽሐፍት የነገሩን፡፡ ካዲያ ከእኔ ተማሩ ያለው ይህን አይደል፡፡ ሕያው ያደረገን በሞቱ አይደል፡፡ጌታችን ያ ሁሉ ድካም ያስፈለገው አንተ የምትለውን ሞት ለማጥፋት አይደል፡፡ አንተ እኮ እየነገርከን ያለኸው በብሉይ ኪዳን የነበሩትን አባቶች ከሞቱ በኋላ ምንም ማድረግ አይችሉም ነበር፡፡ ዛሬ ግን እንደዚህ አይነቱን ትምህርት የምንሰማበት ወቅት ነውን? ማድረግ የማንችለውን ሁሉ ማድረግ እንድንችል አድርጎ ነው በሞቱ ሕያዋን ያረገን፡፡ እርሱ የጌቶች ጌታ ስለሆነ ጌትነቱ የባህሪው ስለሆነ በፀጋው ደግሞ በስሙ እንድንችል አድርጎ ጌቶች ያደረገን እርሱ የዘለዓለም አምላክ ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ ክብር ለእርሱ ይሁን፡፡ ስለዚህ በምድር የሰሩትን መልካም ምግባር ይዘው በስጋ ያለፉትን ቅዱሳን በሰማይ የማሳሰብ ስልጣን አላቸው በቃል ኪዳናቸው መሰረት፡፡ ሰው በስጋ ሞተ ማለት እኮ የስጋ ድካም ቀረ ማለት እንጂ መጸለይና ማመስገን አቆሙ ማለት ግን አይደለም፡፡ አለበለዚያ ሰውን እግዚአብሔር ለምን ፈጠረው? ዝም ብሉ በገነት ቁጭ ለማድረግ ነው፡፡ እኛ እኮ ከመላእክት ጋር አንድ የሚያደርገን በነፍስ እንጂ በስጋ አይደለም፡፡ ደግሞስ ሰው በስጋ ሞተ ማለት ሐይማኖቱን ቀየረ ማለት ነው ? ደግሞስ ክርስትና ማለት እኮ ስለወደቁት የሚያስብ ማለት እንጂ ስለራሱ ብቻ የሚኖር ማለት አይደለም፡፡ ይህ ከሆነ የክርስቶስ በስጋ የመገለጽ ትርጉሙን ያጣል፡፡ እርሱ እኮ ከመጣበት አንዱ አላማው የሰውን ልጅ በስሙ ማድረግ እንድንችል ማድረግና እርሱ ኃጢያትን እንዴት እንደገደለው እንድንማር ነው፡፡ ሐዋርያት ዋጋችን ምንድን ነው ብለው ጠይቀውት ነበር፡፡ በኋለኛው ዘመን በ12ቱ ነገድ ቁጭ ብላችሁ ትፈርዳላችሁ፡፡ አይደለም ማማለድ መፍረድ እንደሚችሉ ነው የነገራቸው፡፡ እኛ አሁን ግን ያለንበት ጊዜ የፍርድ ዘመን ስላልሆነ ነው ምልጃቸውን የምናወሳው እንጂ በሰሙ ለከበሩትና ስለእርሱ ብለው ለተለዩት እርሱን ላስደሰቱት ቅዱሳን ዋጋቸው በምልጃ ብቻ የሚቆም አይደለም፡፡ በረከታቸው ሁሉ፣ ዋጋቸው ሁሉ በስማቸው እንደለ ማቴ 1ዐ፣4ዐ ኢሳ 56፣1-7 በቤቱ እንዳለ ነው የነገረን፣ ያስተማረን፡፡ እኔ እንደንተ የግእዝ ቋንቋ መጽሐፍ ስለሌለኝ የግእዝ የአማረኛ እያልኩኝ ማወናበድ አልችልም፡፡ ቃሉን ግን በመንፈሳዊነት አመለካከት ነው የምቀበለው፡፡ በውኑ ለእግዚአብሔር የሚሳነው ነገር አለን? ይህንን ቃል ወንድሜ አስተውል፡፡ ሕያውን ለምን ከሙታን መካከል ትፈልጉታላችሁ? የሰናፍጭ ቅንጣት እምነት ቢኖራችሁ ይህንን ተራራ ሂድ ብትሉት ይሄዳል? አባቶቻችን በስጋ ሞቱም አልሞቱም ለእነርሱ እኩል ነው ጥያቄያቸው አንድ ነው የሚያደርጉትና አያውቁምና ይቅር በላቸው፡፡ በቃ በሐይማኖት ጸንተን ፣የክርስቶስ ሆነን በክህደት እንዳንወድቅ የቅዱሳን አባቶች ጸሎትና ምልጃ ያስፈልገናል፡፡ ይህ ባይሆን ኖሩ ያልሞቱ አፈር ያልቀመሱ፣ ያረጉ፣ ምን እያደረጉ ነው? የሞቱትን በስጋ ስለሌሉ አላችሁ፤ ያልሞቱ አፈር የማይቀም እንዳሉ ወንጌል ነግሮናል፡፡ እነርሱስ አሁን ምን እያደረጉ ነው? ኧረ እናስተውል፡፡ በዙ ምስጢር ያልገባን ነገር አለ፡፡ የእግዚአብሔርን ቃል 66ቱ 81 አሀዱ እያላችሁ ወስናችሁ አትቁሙ ማስተዋል ይፈልጋል፡፡ የቅዱሳን አምላክ በተዋህዶ የከበረው እግዚአብሔር ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ ለሁላችንም ጥበቡንና ማስተዋሉን ይስጠን፡፡ ኦርቶዶክስ ተዋህዶ ትንሳኤዋን ያሳየኝ፡፡ ለቤተክርስቲያን ተሀድሶ ሳይሆን የሚያስፈልጋት ትንሳኤ ነው የሚያስፈልጋት፡፡ ለትንሳኤዋ የሚሰራ ትውልድ እግዚአብሐር እንዲሰጣት የዘወትር ፀሎቴና ምኞቴ ነው፡፡ወስብሀት ለእግዚአብሔር ወወላዲቱ ድንግል ወለመስቀሉ ክቡር፡፡ ሙሉጌጥ እናውጋው/ወለተስላሴ የተዋህዶ ልጅ ነኝ፡፡

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  56. ወንድሜ ልጨምርልህ፡፡ አንተ እንደምትለው ወሬ ሳይሆን እኔ እርሱን አምላክ አድርጌ የቅዱሳንን ምልጃና ፀሎት ተቀብዬ ያገኘሁትን ሰለምና እረፍ ለመረዳት ግድ በስጋ ተለይቼ ማየት የለብኝም፡፡ እዚህ ምድር ያገኘሁትን ሰላም በሰማይ አይነፍገኝም፡፡ ሁሉም በሐይማኖት ካልሆነ ግን ማንኛውንም ነገር ማግኘት አትችልም፡፡ መዳን ማለት ማውራት፣ በፊደል ትምህርት ሙሉ መሆን ማለት አይደለም፡፡ ሁሉን በሐይማኖት ነው ማየት፡፡ የእግዚአብሔር ቃል በፊደል ሳይሆን የተሰጠን በመገለጽ ነው፡፡ በእውነትና በፀጋ የተሞላውን የእግዚአብሔር ቃል ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስን ማየት የምንችለው የእግዚአብሔርን ቃል ስጋችን ውስጥ አዋህደን ማድረግ ስንጀምር እንጂ ስላወራንና ፊደል ስለተናገርን አንድንም፡፡ ይንንማ ሰይጣንም ያደርገዋል፡፡ ከእኛ የበለጠውን ቃል ነው ሲናገር የሰማነው ከአንተ ጋር ምን አለን አንተ የሕያው የእግዚአብሔር ልጅ ክርስቶስ ነህ አይደል ያለው፡፡ ዛሬ ካዲያ ይህንን ቃል የሰው ልጅ ነፍሱ እየተጸየፈችው አይደል የምንመለከተው አንተን ጨምሮ፡፡ በድፍረት የእግዚአብሔር ልጅ ነው ብለን ልባችን ማስቀመጥ ስለአቃተን መስሎኝ ስጋና ደም በሌለው አፋችሁ የምታደክሙን፡፡ ቃል ስጋ ሆነ የሐ 1፣14፡፡ አየህ የእግዚአብሔር ቃል በስጋ የተገለፀው አንዱ ምክንያት ቃሉን በስጋችን እንድናዋህደው ስልጣን ሊሰጠን ነው፡፡ ይህንን ሁሉ ግን ያፀደቀው በሞቱ ነው፡፡ አየህ በስጋ መሞት ማለት አንተ እንደምታወራው መቆም ማለት ሳይሆን የድካምህን ውጤት ማየት የምትጀምርበት ማለት እንጂ የምትጨርስበት አይደለም፡፡ የምትጨርሰው ስራውን ነው፡፡ የአድካሚውን ጊዜ ነው የጨረስከው፡፡ ገበሬው አርሶ ቆፍሮ ያሳደገውን ፍሬ መብላት ወይም መሸጥ የሚጀምረው ምርቱን ሰብስቦ ሁሉን ነገር ደግሞ ከጨረሰ በኋላ ነው፡፡ ከዚያ በኋላ በቃ ብሎ አያስቀምጠውም፡፡ መጠቀም ይጀምራል፡፡ ይህች ምድር የተሰጠችን እንድንሰራባት ነው፡፡ ምድር ሲጀመር ስናስተውላት የሚሰራባት እንጂ የሚታረፍባት አይደለችም የሚመረትባት እንጂ ፍሬዋን የምንበላባት አይደለችም፡፡ ለዚህ ይመስለኛል አዳም እግዚአብሔርን የሚለውን ባለመስማቱ የሞትን ሞት ሲሞት ሰርቶ መዳን የሚችልበትን የምርት ቦታ ይህችን ምድር የሰጠው፡፡ እርሱ ብቻውን ደግሞ በራሱ ማድረግ ስለማይችልና የበላው በለስ/ሰይጣኑን እራሱ ስለበላው ይህንን የበላውን ሰይጣን ከስጋችን ለመለየት የእግዚአብሔር ቃል ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስ በስጋ ተገልጾ ቃል ስጋ የሆነው፡፡ ከዚያ ምርቱ እንዴት እንደሚመረትና ምን ማድረግ እንዳለብን ነብያት ከተናገሩት በበለጠ ተግብሮ ያሳየን እርሱ በምድር ያመረትነው ቁጭ አድርጎ ለማስቀመጥ አይደለም ምርቷን በስጋ አርፈን በአፀደ ነፍስ ልነበላት ነው፡፡ ለዚህ ይመስለኛል ጌታም በትምህርቱ የአንድ ሰው መመለስ በሰማይ ደስታ እንደሆነ ያስተማረን፡፡ በሰማይ ያሉት ደስ የሚላቸው ፍሬውን ስለሚበሉት ነው፡፡ለእግዚአብሔር በሰማይም በምድርም ያሉት ለእርሱ እኩል ናቸው፡፡ ሁለታችንም ነገዶች የተፈጠርነው እግዚአብሔርን እንድናመልክና ለክብሩ መገለጫ እንድንሆን ነው፡፡ ምርት በማምረት ላይ ያለን ሰዎች ደግሞ ድካም ስላለ በራሳችን ምግባርና አስራር የምንቆምበት ሐይል ለማግኘት የሌላ ሰው ፍሬን እየበላን መሆን አለበት፡፡ የእኛ ፍሬ እስኪደርስ ድረስ፡፡ ትንሳኤ ለኦርቶዶክስ ተዋህዶ ማስተዋሉን ይስጠን፡፡ ሙሉጌጥ/ወለተ ስላሴ

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  57. menafik is empty mind full of trash

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  58. መድሃኒት የሌለው መናፍቅነት ነው።

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